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Science isn't supposed to have dogma in it. 2 00:00:03,590 --> 00:00:08,490 Dogma is supposedly supposed to be relegated to 3 00:00:08,490 --> 00:00:11,830 religion or spirituality and a lot of people 4 00:00:11,830 --> 00:00:14,650 have walked away from dogma, myself included. 5 00:00:15,650 --> 00:00:19,410 One of the reasons why science always kind 6 00:00:19,410 --> 00:00:23,470 of amazes me and intrigues me is we 7 00:00:23,470 --> 00:00:26,150 think about what we know and a lot 8 00:00:26,150 --> 00:00:29,390 of times those base assumptions aren't made on 9 00:00:29,390 --> 00:00:31,830 empirical data but rather what we think we 10 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:34,150 know and of course we don't know what 11 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:36,550 we don't know until we know what we 12 00:00:36,550 --> 00:00:37,130 don't know. 13 00:00:37,810 --> 00:00:39,590 Yeah, try figuring that out. 14 00:00:40,270 --> 00:00:44,790 So once somebody realizes something, and right now 15 00:00:44,790 --> 00:00:46,210 I've been reading a lot of books about 16 00:00:46,210 --> 00:00:51,650 animal senses, animal emotional lives, things that I 17 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:53,450 have known for a very long time that 18 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:56,710 is very good to get actual scientific data 19 00:00:56,710 --> 00:01:01,630 on, that you know these the fields change 20 00:01:01,630 --> 00:01:04,770 and if we think about it the world 21 00:01:04,770 --> 00:01:07,510 has changed so much in the past 10 22 00:01:07,510 --> 00:01:12,010 years, the past 20 years, never mind you 23 00:01:12,010 --> 00:01:14,430 know over the course of a century, two 24 00:01:14,430 --> 00:01:17,830 centuries, five centuries, over a thousand or two 25 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:18,530 thousand years. 26 00:01:18,570 --> 00:01:22,190 The world is constantly changing and to me 27 00:01:22,190 --> 00:01:26,350 I think our spirituality and our connections that 28 00:01:26,350 --> 00:01:29,230 we make should also change as well. 29 00:01:29,250 --> 00:01:31,170 So I'm going to get a little esoteric 30 00:01:31,170 --> 00:01:34,290 and a little philosophical on today's episode of 31 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:35,910 the Feathermane Soul Wisdom Show. 32 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:40,830 You're listening to Feathermane Soul Wisdom, a podcast 33 00:01:40,830 --> 00:01:43,710 for those looking to rediscover their wild spirit 34 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:45,210 in spite of life's challenges. 35 00:01:45,450 --> 00:01:47,930 If you're living with a chronic illness or 36 00:01:47,930 --> 00:01:51,690 neurodivergent or consider yourself disabled and you're looking 37 00:01:51,690 --> 00:01:54,190 to connect with your own inner untamed essence, 38 00:01:54,350 --> 00:01:56,170 then this show is for you. 39 00:01:56,510 --> 00:01:59,610 Your host is Kit Kaelstoe, Wild Spirit Storyteller. 40 00:01:59,870 --> 00:02:02,010 Thanks for listening and now on to the 41 00:02:02,010 --> 00:02:02,490 episode. 42 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:06,830 Hello and welcome back to this week's episode 43 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:08,850 of the Feathermane Soul Wisdom Show. 44 00:02:09,130 --> 00:02:13,330 I'm Kit Kaelstoe, Wild Spirit Storyteller, yoga and 45 00:02:13,330 --> 00:02:17,410 meditation teacher as well as a grief specialist 46 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:24,590 and I want to talk today about why 47 00:02:24,590 --> 00:02:28,090 our spirituality should be fluid and why we 48 00:02:28,090 --> 00:02:32,770 should reject dogma in our spirituality but also 49 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:35,750 reject dogma in our religion and how the 50 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:38,290 wild rejects dogma. 51 00:02:38,850 --> 00:02:41,030 Just want to warn you this is going 52 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:43,890 to get a little esoteric, a little philosophical. 53 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:46,890 I also want to just put up right 54 00:02:46,890 --> 00:02:49,430 up front here that it is not my 55 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:54,890 intention to convert anybody, to change anybody's spiritual 56 00:02:54,890 --> 00:02:55,630 views. 57 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:58,710 A lot of my listeners, a lot of 58 00:02:58,710 --> 00:03:01,450 you have a religion or a spiritual practice 59 00:03:01,450 --> 00:03:03,570 that works for you and that's wonderful. 60 00:03:04,190 --> 00:03:07,130 I don't want to force you to change 61 00:03:07,130 --> 00:03:07,690 anything. 62 00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:10,110 You don't want to or aren't ready to 63 00:03:10,110 --> 00:03:10,790 change. 64 00:03:11,010 --> 00:03:14,530 I do however want to examine or maybe 65 00:03:14,530 --> 00:03:17,650 we can even say deconstruct some of the 66 00:03:17,650 --> 00:03:21,290 more dogmatic aspects of religion and spirituality that 67 00:03:21,290 --> 00:03:24,830 have been problematic and maybe think about why 68 00:03:24,830 --> 00:03:29,350 those things are there and why embracing change 69 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:31,830 is probably one of the best things that 70 00:03:31,830 --> 00:03:34,510 we can do for our well-being. 71 00:03:35,710 --> 00:03:38,330 I want to kind of switch gears a 72 00:03:38,330 --> 00:03:41,430 little bit and talk about the tarot which 73 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:42,710 is full of archetypes. 74 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:47,010 One of the scariest tarot cards in the 75 00:03:47,010 --> 00:03:49,890 tarot deck to a lot of people is 76 00:03:49,890 --> 00:03:54,790 the tower and in the Rider Waite tarot 77 00:03:54,790 --> 00:03:58,790 deck the tower is shows like a tower 78 00:03:58,790 --> 00:04:02,190 like maybe a tower that's attached to a 79 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:05,730 castle and it's getting struck by lightning. 80 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:08,830 The top of the tower which looks like 81 00:04:08,830 --> 00:04:12,090 a crown is getting blown off and there 82 00:04:12,090 --> 00:04:14,450 are two figures tumbling from the tower. 83 00:04:14,790 --> 00:04:16,950 So if you look at the tower card 84 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:20,350 you can look at it and be like 85 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:22,610 you know that's not good. 86 00:04:22,830 --> 00:04:29,070 However what the tower card traditionally represents is 87 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:33,010 having your life or a situation or an 88 00:04:33,010 --> 00:04:37,350 organization basically torn down to its foundations. 89 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:41,870 So you can rebuild that foundation stronger and 90 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:45,190 more resilient than it was before and then 91 00:04:45,190 --> 00:04:48,870 you can move forward coming from a place 92 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:51,890 that is much more grounded and much stronger. 93 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:55,650 So when the tower card comes up it 94 00:04:55,650 --> 00:05:00,050 generally indicates rapid and sudden change which can 95 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:02,370 be scary and I want to acknowledge that. 96 00:05:03,130 --> 00:05:04,450 So what does that have to do with 97 00:05:04,450 --> 00:05:05,670 dogma and spirituality? 98 00:05:06,590 --> 00:05:09,450 I want to take a moment even though 99 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:12,450 long-time listeners know that my idea of 100 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:16,070 spirituality is being connected to something larger than 101 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:16,570 yourself. 102 00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:19,270 That could be a community, that could be 103 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:22,430 the universe in general, that could be some 104 00:05:22,430 --> 00:05:26,170 nameless formless divine energy, that could be a 105 00:05:26,170 --> 00:05:28,870 specific deity or a pantheon or group of 106 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:29,930 specific deities. 107 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:33,170 When we are connected to something larger than 108 00:05:33,170 --> 00:05:36,810 ourselves when we are connected in a spiritual 109 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:41,370 way it has a tendency to pull us 110 00:05:41,370 --> 00:05:45,330 out of ourselves and make us see the 111 00:05:45,330 --> 00:05:48,610 connections between ourselves and other people. 112 00:05:50,330 --> 00:05:53,790 Religion and again long-time listeners will have 113 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:55,290 heard me define it this way. 114 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:59,610 One of the definitions of religion and one 115 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:03,190 that I really liked is making order out 116 00:06:03,190 --> 00:06:03,830 of chaos. 117 00:06:04,590 --> 00:06:06,930 And religion is a set of rules. 118 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:09,790 We could look at Mary Douglas's work which 119 00:06:09,790 --> 00:06:13,030 is purity and taboo. 120 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:16,510 We could look at you know all the 121 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:20,910 different thinkers but basically religion is a way 122 00:06:20,910 --> 00:06:22,810 to make order out of chaos. 123 00:06:23,570 --> 00:06:27,890 And in many cases this was done through 124 00:06:27,890 --> 00:06:31,770 a dividing line between the sacred and the 125 00:06:31,770 --> 00:06:34,370 not sacred, the sacred and the profane. 126 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:38,890 And there are some groups and some religions 127 00:06:38,890 --> 00:06:42,450 that have very stark lines between the sacred 128 00:06:42,450 --> 00:06:43,530 and the profane. 129 00:06:44,330 --> 00:06:47,630 Personally I tend to be drawn to traditions 130 00:06:47,630 --> 00:06:51,690 and towards ways of thinking about spirituality that 131 00:06:51,690 --> 00:06:54,710 tend to see the sacred and the profane 132 00:06:54,710 --> 00:06:58,710 as almost co-existent. 133 00:06:59,010 --> 00:07:01,610 That you could be doing something very mundane 134 00:07:01,610 --> 00:07:05,870 like eating a meal and that could be 135 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:09,470 a very sacred very spiritual act just as 136 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:11,570 that could be a very mundane act. 137 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:16,950 An idea talking about mindfulness and meditation is 138 00:07:16,950 --> 00:07:19,430 if you're loading the dishwasher or if you 139 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:23,610 do dishes by hand be in that moment 140 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:26,450 feel all the senses of that moment the 141 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:29,310 dish in your hand maybe the water running 142 00:07:29,310 --> 00:07:32,630 over your hands the squeak against of the 143 00:07:32,630 --> 00:07:35,210 soap and the rag against the clean dish 144 00:07:35,210 --> 00:07:39,090 or how you place the dish into the 145 00:07:39,090 --> 00:07:42,790 dishwasher rack and place it in an orderly 146 00:07:42,790 --> 00:07:45,870 way with all of the other dishes the 147 00:07:45,870 --> 00:07:49,730 different ritual motions you go through that is 148 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:53,010 a case where something very ordinary and some 149 00:07:53,010 --> 00:07:55,810 would say very profane because dirty dishes sometimes 150 00:07:55,810 --> 00:08:00,030 get gross can be very sacred and can 151 00:08:00,030 --> 00:08:03,030 bring that sacredness into our life. 152 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:09,740 To me a fluid sense of of spirituality 153 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:17,260 allows that sacredness to imbue our lives even 154 00:08:17,260 --> 00:08:19,500 in the most mundane of moments. 155 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:22,680 In order to do that a lot of 156 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,940 times we have to actually examine the rules 157 00:08:26,940 --> 00:08:30,700 that if we are following a specific religious 158 00:08:30,700 --> 00:08:34,280 tradition that we need to look at the 159 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,600 rules and the practices of that religious tradition 160 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,460 and find out where they came from do 161 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:44,440 they hold meaning for us today and just 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,100 like science if we discover that something no 163 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:51,920 longer holds meaning for us today we need 164 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,320 to be willing and open-minded enough to 165 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,160 explore new possibilities and the question that will 166 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,400 inevitably come up is why if what we 167 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,360 are doing is working for us now if 168 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,280 what we are doing was okay for our 169 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,280 parents our grandparents our great-grandparents so on 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,400 and so forth then surely what we're doing 171 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,960 is okay for us now why would we 172 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,760 even want to think about changing and this 173 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,060 is where we get into the concept of 174 00:09:26,060 --> 00:09:31,300 lived religion and lived religion is different from 175 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:34,820 a dogmatic type of religion and that lived 176 00:09:34,820 --> 00:09:39,820 religion is how we express our religious or 177 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:43,660 spiritual beliefs in a day-to-day basis 178 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:46,660 as we live our lives hence lived religion 179 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:51,460 and I think this is important because a 180 00:09:51,460 --> 00:09:57,720 spirituality a spiritual practice a religion that we 181 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,500 cannot do and incorporate into our daily lives 182 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:06,800 is going to be one that is very 183 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,840 difficult for us to follow and I'm going 184 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,500 to use a cause that's near and dear 185 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:14,920 to my heart which is disability or autistic 186 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:20,760 liberation to kind of explain this so if 187 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,860 part of your religion is to have a 188 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:26,440 very physical practice and you can define that 189 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,740 however you wish let's say you are going 190 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:33,640 door to door to talk to people let's 191 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,420 say that within your religious practice there's a 192 00:10:37,420 --> 00:10:40,340 lot of movement maybe some dancing maybe some 193 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:44,240 standing maybe you all line up and go 194 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,660 to the front of your holy or sacred 195 00:10:46,660 --> 00:10:50,880 building to receive some sort of blessing maybe 196 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,840 there's a receiving line this could take any 197 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,000 number of forms and I'm sure you're recognizing 198 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,080 some of the different aspects of different religions 199 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,420 I'm talking about in a pagan sense it 200 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:05,920 might be standing in a circle maybe dancing 201 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:12,360 clockwise or counterclockwise around the circle it could 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,340 be you know performing various ritual movements whatever 203 00:11:16,340 --> 00:11:20,000 it is if you are somebody who cannot 204 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,240 do this for any reason that is going 205 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,420 to separate you from your religion if you 206 00:11:26,420 --> 00:11:28,340 cannot do this with a group of people 207 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,500 it's going to isolate you it's going to 208 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:33,500 make you feel like you're not welcome it's 209 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:34,560 going to make you feel like you're not 210 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:38,560 wanted and if it continues it could actually 211 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,620 cause a spiritual crisis it could cause a 212 00:11:42,620 --> 00:11:48,480 very painful deep spiritual wound that will take 213 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,820 a lot of work not just on your 214 00:11:50,820 --> 00:11:52,620 part but also on the part of the 215 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:55,940 religion or people within that religion to actually 216 00:11:55,940 --> 00:12:01,480 heal so if you tell somebody you know 217 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,740 well we have always done it this way 218 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:07,060 you know we can't make accommodations for you 219 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:09,600 because you're in a wheelchair or because you 220 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,200 can't stand for long periods of time or 221 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,080 maybe you can stand but you have a 222 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,060 condition such as POTS which might cause you 223 00:12:18,060 --> 00:12:21,560 to need to sit down or else you're 224 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:23,860 going to like fall down and hurt yourself 225 00:12:23,860 --> 00:12:27,900 due to blood pressure and heart rate irregularities 226 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:32,940 whatever is going on you know chronic pain 227 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:34,960 I could go on and on it and 228 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,300 I've done some other podcasts talking about that 229 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:41,100 if if your religion isn't a lived enough 230 00:12:41,100 --> 00:12:43,600 religion that people can say hey here's how 231 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,060 we can include you in this practice then 232 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:50,520 that's not going to be beneficial for you 233 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,060 that's going to isolate you from the religion 234 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:56,440 and that's going to indicate that that's a 235 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,550 religion of dogma so that is a very 236 00:13:01,550 --> 00:13:05,470 brief overview but then the question becomes why 237 00:13:05,470 --> 00:13:08,230 am I talking about this now and what 238 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:10,230 does this have to do with the wild 239 00:13:10,230 --> 00:13:14,210 let's tackle that first question why am I 240 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:18,770 doing this now and that's an easy and 241 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:24,090 yet not easy question to answer the kind 242 00:13:24,090 --> 00:13:27,490 of top line answer to that is I'm 243 00:13:27,490 --> 00:13:32,090 doing this now because I've been doing a 244 00:13:32,090 --> 00:13:35,790 lot of thinking about how religion serves us 245 00:13:35,790 --> 00:13:40,750 how religion doesn't serve us how religion or 246 00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:45,290 a dogmatic type upbringing really has driven a 247 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:49,150 lot of the current polycrisis on the political 248 00:13:49,150 --> 00:13:52,330 front and I would say that the global 249 00:13:52,330 --> 00:13:57,210 polycrisis the climate the economics the fascism the 250 00:13:57,210 --> 00:14:01,250 everything that a lot of that is driven 251 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:04,410 by a we've always done it this way 252 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:06,550 and so this is our culture and if 253 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:10,150 you're examining the culture or asking us to 254 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:12,550 try something different then you're trying to take 255 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:16,270 that away that's a very dogmatic approach and 256 00:14:16,270 --> 00:14:18,870 that has been on my mind lately as 257 00:14:18,870 --> 00:14:21,630 far as what we need to do additionally 258 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:23,390 and I'm going to be addressing this in 259 00:14:23,390 --> 00:14:26,610 another podcast possibly the next one we'll see 260 00:14:26,610 --> 00:14:30,110 how things go is I've been thinking about 261 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:35,510 my own religious beliefs how I identify with 262 00:14:35,510 --> 00:14:40,310 my religious beliefs and what that community has 263 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:44,190 done and has not done to help or 264 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:48,970 to hinder my religious beliefs and my sense 265 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:52,190 of spirituality and community and plus there's you 266 00:14:52,190 --> 00:14:53,510 know the fact that I've been a graduate 267 00:14:53,510 --> 00:14:56,910 student for religious studies I'm currently studying to 268 00:14:56,910 --> 00:15:00,650 be an animal chaplain and all of this 269 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:05,450 really comes down to thinking about what we 270 00:15:05,450 --> 00:15:09,590 want out of our religion how our religion 271 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:12,170 or our spirituality and they're not the same 272 00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:16,070 thing you know how our spiritual beliefs should 273 00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:21,570 actually help not just ourselves as individuals but 274 00:15:21,570 --> 00:15:25,870 the wider global community and that would include 275 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:28,710 the community that we don't know about the 276 00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:31,490 community that we don't interact with on a 277 00:15:31,490 --> 00:15:34,550 basis you know on a regular basis and 278 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:36,530 a good example of this is like the 279 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:39,290 AI use in the pagan community there's been 280 00:15:39,290 --> 00:15:44,330 quite a spirited discussion I am anti-generative 281 00:15:44,330 --> 00:15:47,990 AI there are assistive uses of AI that 282 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:53,270 doesn't require taking somebody's intellectual property and generating 283 00:15:53,270 --> 00:15:56,990 something new about that for example can you 284 00:15:56,990 --> 00:15:59,330 look at this photo and tell me what's 285 00:15:59,330 --> 00:16:03,130 in it because I have vision difficulties can 286 00:16:03,130 --> 00:16:06,210 you take what I have said and type 287 00:16:06,210 --> 00:16:09,410 it out into text because I am unable 288 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:11,730 to type and I need a text version 289 00:16:11,730 --> 00:16:14,290 of this there are ways to use this 290 00:16:14,290 --> 00:16:19,030 technology generating funny memes generating a whole bunch 291 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:23,110 of pictures that ain't it and when you 292 00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:27,130 do the generative part and as a publisher 293 00:16:27,130 --> 00:16:29,550 this has been something or as an author 294 00:16:29,550 --> 00:16:31,490 and publisher this is something that I've been 295 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:36,730 really following because for example there's I've got 296 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:38,430 a list of non-fiction books I want 297 00:16:38,430 --> 00:16:40,270 to write and several of them have been 298 00:16:40,270 --> 00:16:43,230 quote-unquote banned by one of the biggest 299 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:47,910 distributors supposedly because AI has oversaturated the genre 300 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:52,430 now that is a whole nother podcast probably 301 00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:57,030 taking a couple hours to discuss and that's 302 00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:59,050 not something that I would be discussing for 303 00:16:59,050 --> 00:17:01,490 this audience but rather for my writing audience 304 00:17:01,490 --> 00:17:04,430 but the truth of the matter is like 305 00:17:04,430 --> 00:17:08,970 these sort of technologies are interfacing with our 306 00:17:08,970 --> 00:17:12,869 religious and spiritual lives causing problems and I 307 00:17:12,869 --> 00:17:14,849 think it's up for us to think about 308 00:17:14,849 --> 00:17:19,010 on a religious or spiritual basis how these 309 00:17:19,010 --> 00:17:22,150 technologies should or should not be used do 310 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:24,170 they go against our ethics do they go 311 00:17:24,170 --> 00:17:26,670 against our religious beliefs in my case yes 312 00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:30,950 I believe that the earth is sacred the 313 00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:34,770 planet is sacred the creatures the plants everything 314 00:17:34,770 --> 00:17:37,590 on the planet is sacred and so anything 315 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:41,970 that acerbates the current climate crisis is not 316 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:45,470 good because it's harming the sacred earth and 317 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:50,050 so you know dogma religion all of that 318 00:17:50,050 --> 00:17:52,110 goes into that because we should be having 319 00:17:52,110 --> 00:17:55,930 these conversations about okay how should our lived 320 00:17:55,930 --> 00:18:00,570 active spiritual lives spiritual beings as we are 321 00:18:00,570 --> 00:18:03,510 or our religion actually react to this so 322 00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:05,310 that's kind of why I'm having this conversation 323 00:18:05,310 --> 00:18:10,710 now although admittedly in speaking about dogma I 324 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:15,450 am talking about a much broader situation and 325 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:19,090 something that affects us far beyond our religious 326 00:18:19,090 --> 00:18:24,070 lives the more important question the second half 327 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:25,390 of that is what does this have to 328 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:29,050 do with the wild and I had started 329 00:18:29,050 --> 00:18:31,970 this podcast by talking about how the wild 330 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:37,950 rejects dogma I also wanted to touch base 331 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:41,070 on why we should be flexible why we 332 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:44,750 should have a fluid spirituality rather than a 333 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:49,150 spirituality that is rooted in must do should 334 00:18:49,150 --> 00:18:52,390 do needs to do type dogma they all 335 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:57,330 go hand in hand and we only need 336 00:18:57,330 --> 00:19:00,410 to look at the world around us to 337 00:19:00,410 --> 00:19:04,310 start seeing some of this in action so 338 00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:11,290 we have seen what happens when our pets 339 00:19:11,290 --> 00:19:13,710 get used to certain routines things have always 340 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:17,470 been done this way you will have anxious 341 00:19:17,470 --> 00:19:23,470 separation anxiety you may have an animal that 342 00:19:23,470 --> 00:19:28,090 is disruptive while you're trying to sleep or 343 00:19:28,090 --> 00:19:32,330 while you are trying to do other things 344 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:35,850 you know this morning I am kind of 345 00:19:35,850 --> 00:19:39,010 changing up a little bit how I'm feeding 346 00:19:39,010 --> 00:19:41,170 my horses because we had the loss of 347 00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:45,190 matriarch of our herd this week I will 348 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:47,010 talk about that later when it's not so 349 00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:50,050 raw because there was some really beautiful expressions 350 00:19:50,050 --> 00:19:53,210 of grief by the sacred herd but that 351 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:57,270 has caused me to change things because the 352 00:19:57,270 --> 00:20:01,190 way that I feed my horses really I 353 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:02,930 mean sure I could still do it the 354 00:20:02,930 --> 00:20:06,570 I always did it but I have a 355 00:20:06,570 --> 00:20:09,890 horse who is the lowest ranking member of 356 00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:13,010 the herd and by making this one slight 357 00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:16,930 adjustment bringing her into an enclosed area rather 358 00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:18,910 than keeping her just on the other side 359 00:20:18,910 --> 00:20:21,530 of it I am able to ensure she 360 00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:24,770 gets a little more time with her food 361 00:20:24,770 --> 00:20:28,110 she doesn't get pushed off her bucket and 362 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:32,650 the horse that the horse that always ate 363 00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:35,310 with my heart horse which would be actually 364 00:20:35,310 --> 00:20:40,010 be her filly you know that horse now 365 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:42,710 instead of eating by itself even though the 366 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:44,930 herd is well within eyesight so it's not 367 00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:48,090 like somebody's isolated they still see one another 368 00:20:48,090 --> 00:20:50,890 they can still communicate with one another but 369 00:20:50,890 --> 00:20:54,770 this horse gets companion so you know I 370 00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:56,390 could have looked at that and said well 371 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:58,490 I've always fed you at these buckets and 372 00:20:58,490 --> 00:21:01,250 you will you know eat at these buckets 373 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:04,970 forever and that sort of dogma first of 374 00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:06,890 all doesn't make sense to the horses I 375 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:09,730 mean yeah they they know where they go 376 00:21:09,730 --> 00:21:11,870 and they know kind of where they get 377 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:14,910 fed and that kind of helps everybody guide 378 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:16,730 you know who who goes to their buckets 379 00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:19,470 first who comes last the order in which 380 00:21:19,470 --> 00:21:23,650 I feed but we're not so stuck in 381 00:21:23,650 --> 00:21:26,530 our way of being that we can't adjust 382 00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:29,070 that when necessary and adjust that for the 383 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:31,310 better of the herd so like that's a 384 00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:36,830 really local really domesticated example of this but 385 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:39,910 I think you could see this for example 386 00:21:39,910 --> 00:21:42,550 in the wild so if you have an 387 00:21:42,550 --> 00:21:45,050 animal that knows that at this time of 388 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:47,210 year it can always find food at this 389 00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:50,430 location we're in the middle of a drought 390 00:21:50,430 --> 00:21:53,610 right now in the Ozarks the Europe was 391 00:21:53,610 --> 00:21:57,230 extremely hot this summer there's a lot of 392 00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:59,750 changes happening to our climate which means that 393 00:21:59,750 --> 00:22:01,810 there's a good chance that a wild animal 394 00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:05,290 could go to an area not find the 395 00:22:05,290 --> 00:22:06,890 food that it's waiting for well it's not 396 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:08,650 going to stand there and demand the food 397 00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:10,570 show up for because this is how it's 398 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:14,110 always been done no it's going to change 399 00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:16,350 its plans it's going to be flexible and 400 00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:19,990 going to go search for more food a 401 00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:22,650 lot of this is driven on instinct I 402 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:24,990 want to be very clear here that dogma 403 00:22:24,990 --> 00:22:29,330 is a very human concept and so applying 404 00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:33,650 this human concept to the wild comes with 405 00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:37,090 some problems it is not without issues because 406 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:40,270 we do not know and have no way 407 00:22:40,270 --> 00:22:43,370 of accessing the internal lives of our animals 408 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:47,410 even a situation in our house you may 409 00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:49,570 have a couple of cats one of the 410 00:22:49,570 --> 00:22:51,750 cats is sleeping in the other cat's spot 411 00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:54,570 you can pretty much see what's going on 412 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,610 but you don't know how the cat's thinking 413 00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:59,990 about that how the cat is changing where 414 00:22:59,990 --> 00:23:02,890 it's laying down in the case of my 415 00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:04,790 office it means they steal my chair when 416 00:23:04,790 --> 00:23:07,450 I'm not here but that's okay because I'm 417 00:23:07,450 --> 00:23:11,810 not here and they find that comfortable but 418 00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:16,730 you you know that applying concepts like this 419 00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:20,070 to the natural world is very difficult we 420 00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:24,050 cannot fathom the internal lives of our domesticated 421 00:23:24,050 --> 00:23:30,590 companion animals horses cats dogs let alone you 422 00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:34,010 know the internal lives of a tree we 423 00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:37,510 there's no way we can comprehend that so 424 00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:41,610 much because humans are very much driven by 425 00:23:41,610 --> 00:23:44,790 things that we get through our senses and 426 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,870 we find it hard to put ourselves into 427 00:23:47,870 --> 00:23:51,990 other people's shoes um or other people's roots 428 00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:56,510 as it were so I guess that's why 429 00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:58,590 it's important because if we're going to connect 430 00:23:58,590 --> 00:24:00,910 with the wild if we're going to learn 431 00:24:00,910 --> 00:24:02,890 from the wild and we're going to discover 432 00:24:02,890 --> 00:24:07,530 those wild places inside us we need to 433 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:11,710 think about what is a human construct dogma 434 00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:14,890 how does that human construct show up in 435 00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:18,630 our lives how is it harming us how 436 00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:21,770 are we adhering to that in a way 437 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:26,650 that is not beneficial and when we do 438 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:30,830 that we start to reconnect with our wild 439 00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:34,370 nature we start to reconnect a little bit 440 00:24:34,370 --> 00:24:38,250 more with the wild animals and it helps 441 00:24:38,250 --> 00:24:42,470 us be flexible it helps us be resilient 442 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:45,250 you know so many of us really don't 443 00:24:45,250 --> 00:24:48,730 like the word resilient but yet releasing our 444 00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:56,510 dogma releasing our human constructs and reconnecting with 445 00:24:56,510 --> 00:25:00,050 our wild nature with a fluid nature with 446 00:25:00,050 --> 00:25:04,230 an understanding that everything changes nothing stays the 447 00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:07,170 same just look at the weather you could 448 00:25:07,170 --> 00:25:09,230 take a piece of paper and chart the 449 00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:13,310 chart the weather for 10 days I mean 450 00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:14,390 you don't even have to go a whole 451 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:17,090 month you could start with 10 days a 452 00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:20,730 week chart the weather and even if you 453 00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:23,210 have three or four days in a row 454 00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:26,650 that feel like they're the same they're going 455 00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,370 to be different there's going to be different 456 00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:31,410 nuances especially if you really start looking at 457 00:25:31,410 --> 00:25:36,290 things like wind speed wind direction temperature barometric 458 00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:40,210 pressure there's so many variables that if we 459 00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:42,290 just simply gloss it all over and say 460 00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,150 oh yeah it was sunny and warm this 461 00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:47,310 week you're going to miss the variance that 462 00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:51,550 each and every day had when it was 463 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:53,930 sunny and warm some days were warmer than 464 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:57,230 others some days had more breeze than others 465 00:25:57,230 --> 00:26:00,990 some days maybe had a bit more humidity 466 00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:04,470 some days maybe had a bit less all 467 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:07,010 of these things come together to create an 468 00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:11,190 ever changing experience in our lives and I 469 00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,790 feel like one of the best things we 470 00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:16,850 could do especially my community my neurodivergent community 471 00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:20,730 my chronically ill or disabled community the queer 472 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:23,470 community one of the things that we could 473 00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:28,630 do is start embracing the fluid and ever 474 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:32,990 -changing nature of the world of the wild 475 00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:37,170 of the wilderness around us the wilderness inside 476 00:26:37,170 --> 00:26:40,670 us and when we start embracing that we 477 00:26:40,670 --> 00:26:43,070 can start to see that one by one 478 00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:46,750 those human constructs and the dogma is going 479 00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:50,930 to eventually fall away I want to thank 480 00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:53,550 you so 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